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There has been much noise in media about reservations in IIM and IIT. In my opinion, I don't care. Reservation in private companies is a greater issue than these institutes. Afterall, we are used to reservation in education. If NITs have reservation why not IIM and IITs though i pray to God that atleast the politicians pardon IIT.
Well, many a discussion has been made about what is right and what is wrong. I am one of those coward guys in India who accepts everything that is present because of whom India is still united and there are no major revolts. If i am included in reservation, i would enjoy the benefit and i don't get the piece, i silently whine. Then u can ask for what the f**k this post is. Well i am predicting the future and have a solution how to escape from the grave danger.
Reservation is inevitable. Take my case. I belong to a caste called gavara naidu. (Yeah yeah, i am one of those lakhs of gulute who speaks rubbish telugu) In other words BC. Kammavar naidus (those rich landlords from coimbatore) are FC. We usually get married to our own caste members or to a caste called gajala balaja naidus but not to kammavar naidus no matter how rich the BC is or how poor the FC is. This is because - kammavar:landlords - gavara:washers - gajala balaja:bangle sellers. Big deal. what i am going to gain in being stubborn about marrying a FC girl. nothing i mean......i have no point to prove as far as social equality is concerned. There is no untouchability between us or something but still the forward and backward caste line is still there. Imagine a poor kammavar boy and myself (middle class) getting equal score. Though he studied in an ordinary school and i studied in a reputed school, I am better placed in everything as far as the quota is concerned. This unequal oppurtunity doesn't make those kammavar fathers to give their daughter to me. I can hear you saying "yenna thanda solla varra". wait gentleman. the solution is around the corner.
Years ago, kammavar naidus were asking for their BC status. Ironical isn't it? Everyone wants to be backward. They have many powerful politicians. Say, they are granted BC status. now, the poor boy and myself are on equal terms. Now, gavara and gajala balaja naidus would ask for MBC status. Say, that is also granted. Likewise, every caste should become SCs. Why am i not targetting STs? No, the present day SCs has to go somewhere right. thats why and having a small imbalance will always satisfy the politicians.
Present scenario - Numbers are not accurate.
Seats Total 100 OC 50 BC 20 MBC 15 SC/ST 15
Caste Total 100 OC 20 BC 60 MBC 10 SC/ST 10
In my solution
Seats Total 100 OC 45 MBC 50 SC/ST 5
Caste Total 100 OC 2 MBC 88 SC/ST 10
Now, for those who doubt the efficacy of my solution - there are 2 points i have to stress.
1. Once, there was heavy reservation(this word is different from our topic) against granting engineering college license. Only VVIPs were granted. Its like opening a private company in kerala. Then came MGR. He started giving license to ramasamy and kuppusamy whoever asked for one and he got commission. You know the rest. Like wise, this caste downgrading process would start sometime. Once, started it would steam roll to what i said.
2. The only casuality would be brahmins. They would remain as FCs. This is because there has to be someone in FC to say all the castes are MBCs and STs. Why brahmins? I don't know about other states. But, in our state, with only dravidian parties in power, those poor guys are stereotyped to be FCs for eternity. |
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and as usual - kicha's comments are useless...
BTW - i have lots to say on this. I have to get this RB tree fundu into my head now.
So - later.
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dai don't curse kicha da. he had problems with id. we solved it and it was a test comment.
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Pradeep's comment reminded me of something.
Thought this mail from Balaji was very funny.
Too much…….
U got to read this one.......this is some stuff.......Since this is a discussion plz start reading from bottom !!!
For the uninitiated, this discussion started in Infoys bulletin board with the simple question, "what is the meaning of maithili?" )
READ FROM BOTTOM TO TOP
Nobody can beat Software Engineers at Nonsense.
Please read from bottom to top
-----Original Message-----
From: Aniljoshi
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:39 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: German's ,Jews, Aryans
We sit before the monitor staring into the pixels, making faces the
whole day like monkeys. And you claim that you are not in this monkey
business? Beats me!!
ANIL JOSHI
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From: AnandV
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:13 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: monkeys and dravidians
My theory is first step to identify software engrs.I'm more interested
in showing that software engrs are not monkeys (bcas they are not
aryans) which my house owner believes!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: DHRUVAV
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:09 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: teachers and dravidian
Your theory only proves that Software engineers are not aryans.Therefore
they can be any thing other than aryans and not only dravidians.
-----Original Message-----
From: AnandV
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:04 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: teachers and dravidian
B'cas only teachers (arya's) are aryans. So all software engr's are
dravidians.
-----Original Message-----
From: raghavendrak
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:00 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Aryans- H aryana
Let me get it clear.Are u suggesting that all people in haryana are
monkeys?????
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From: ashokkm
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 199910:59 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Aryans- H aryana
No, Only the native of Haryana are are aryans b'coz U just remove the
'H' in Haryana so it becomes aryana.Agreed or not????
-----Original Message-----
From: raghavendrak
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:54 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: German's ,Jews, Aryans are Indians
Then even monkeys are aryans!!!!!!(I think they too have 10 fingers).
That's what ramayan says. So all vanars were also aryans!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Aniljoshi
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:50 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: German's ,Jews, Aryans are Indians
How logical!! Now I could easily prove that even Africans are Aryans.
They have 10 fingers- so they are aryans. They have 10 toes on their
feet - so they are aryans. Thanks for proving that all are aryans.
ANIL JOSHI
-----Original Message-----
From: Kedardesai
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 10:40 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Proof:German's ,Jews, Aryans are Indians
Indians invented the decimal system. Ravan(Jew) had ten heads, Ram's
father(aryan + German)had ten chariots (Dash-rath) etc.Thus , the base
is 10. There fore they are all Indians
-----Original Message-----
From: Aniljoshi
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:58 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/Germans
Germans don't play cricket. So cricketers can't be germans. QED
ANIL JOSHI
-----Original Message-----
From: Dinni Lingaraj
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:56 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/ Germans
It just occured that a better subject would have been "CRICKET"
but this &nbs nbsp; one stopped ...."Are our cricketers
Aryans/Germans ?" So we got to solve this one !
-----Original Message-----
From: Aniljoshi
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:55 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Major fallacy/Aryans & Germans
Let the 'intellectuals' decide... you will know who you are soon enough.
ANIL JOSHI
-----Original Message-----
From: Yeshwant Dattatreya
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 19999:39 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/Germans
OH BOY!! WHO ARE WE?
-----Original Message-----
From: ashokkm
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 19999:37 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Major fallacy/Aryans & Germans
According to maxmuller, Aryans came from Middle East.
According to Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Antarctica was the home place of
Aryans. And Swami Dayanand Saraswati says Aryans were originally from
India b'coz the place "saptsandhav" that is described many times in
their book is nothing but Doab region between Ganga & Jamuna.
And One theory according Bhagwandas is that Aryans were originally from
India then they went to middle east and after some time they returned
back to India.So there are different theories about the origin of Aryans
but recent belief is that only India was their native-land.
-----Original Message-----
From: Aniljoshi
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 19999:37 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/Germans
So, at present we are at a point where MK's son is a Russian, implying
MK is a Russian. MK is a ardent follower of Ravan who is a German Jew.
Looks like the german govt running Karnataka(see our previous
discussions for a proof of it) is conniving with the Russian govt at
Tamilnadu (who support German) to fight the Italian Govts reps at 10
Janpath road. Some heavy international politics we have going on here.
Wat's d'ya say man!!
ANIL JOSHI
-----Original Message-----
From: amajumder
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:21 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/Germans
Importance: High
Might be Russians too.. that explains why MK's son is called STALIN.
-----Original Message-----
From: raghavendrak
Posted At: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:13 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/Germans
Say this to the DMK and they're gonna kick u!! according to them ravan
was a dravidian and was attacked by ram as ram was an aryan.
So if ram was a german, and assuming he was a 'hitlerite 'aryan, then
ravan must have been a jew!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Aniljoshi
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:57 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: MAJOR FALLACY- Aryans/Germans
No, on the contrary it proves that Ravan was a German since it was he
who owned the Pushpak Viman. The passengers could belong to any country.
ANIL JOSHI
-----Original Message-----
From: vishnoor
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:44 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: major fallacy...
After defeating ravana .... Sri Rama flew back in Ravana's pushpak
vimana & This is what the Mordern Lufthansa is . It is the modern
version of the older pushpaka vimana.
The pushpak vimana was "driven" by hansa or swans....
The insignia of Lufthansa is also a swan...
This further proves Sri Rama was a German Hail Rama ....
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From: khandelwalh
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 199912:54 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: major fallacy...
the argument is wrong.
the conclusion is fallacious
-----Original Message-----
From: vishnoor
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:44 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Mithla
Rama was an aryan ;
Germans claim to be aryans so Rama was a German &nbs nbsp; Hail Rama....
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From: ashokkm
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 199911:53 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Mithla
And what about Home minister Advani & Noble Prize winner Economics Dr.
Amartya Sen???
-----Original Message-----
From: Sudha Vedula
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 19994:02 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Mithla & Maithili
God Shiva is also a foreigner because
Mt.Kailash is in China. Buddha was also a foreigner because
Lumbini(?) is in Nepal. So was Guru Nanak, because Talwandi is in
Pakistan . So was Porus. So was Gandhari.....:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Vikas Sharma
Posted At: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:14 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Mithla & Maithili
Recently one Congress leader, in defense of Sonia, quoted that Sita was
also a foreigner because Janakpuri is in Nepal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pranav Chandra
Posted At: Wednesday, September 01,1999 1:10 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: Mithla & Maithili
Maithili is a language which derives it's name from the region in Bihar
where it is spoken, the old kingdom of Mithla. There is a reference to
the area even in Ramayana- Janak( Father of Sita) was king of Mithla and
has been referred to as MithlaNaresh at many places in RamCharitraManas
- therefore Sita was also called Maithili.
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From: Subhashis Roy
Posted At: 1999"N9OE?1"=FA 13:03
Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: what is Maithili ?
Importance: High
Maithili brahmins are known for their gastronome qualities !!!
-----Original Message-----
From: yogesh=5Fpm
Posted At: Wednesday, September 01,1999 12:12 PM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: re: what is maithili
Maithili is a language spoken in central bihar. It has its own
literature.It has its root in the old kingdom of that area.It is similar
to Hindi.
-----Original Message-----
From: himanshudas
Posted At: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 9:06 AM Posted To: General
Conversation: What is Maithili?
Subject: What is Maithili?
Hi!
Who or what is Maithili, in context of Indian literature?
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I posted this analogy in some indiatimes site on similar discussions da.
These reservations are meant for helping the socially suppressed to come up. Let us say I'm very weak and wish to be a mountaineer. Instead of feeding and training me, you give you a drop thru helicopter to the peak. Does it mean I become a mountaineer?
Reservations are just stunts by politicians. Sometime I feel the congress is better than hindutva folks in implementing our masters' divide and rule. In just 2 years, look at the number of issues they have stirred. Minority reservation. Reservation in private companies. Reservation in IIT and IIM. The kind of corruptions they are accused for always look like "international frauds" or compromise of national security (from bofors to the scorpene deal, oil for food scam, globalisation it seems :D).
The reality, as I have observed, turns out to be such that, a political party supports an "upper caste" candidate where upper caste people are majority, even though they suppress the lower caste there. In a constituency where "lower caste" people are majority and no one is suppressed, they stir up a non-existent issue and the same party become "fighters for the cause of lower caste people".
Each of us know how government and politicians function, but still we look up to them for doing something. Funny thing!
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Do we still look up to the govt for things?!?! When was that?!?!
I go to the govt for only those things which I SHOULD not get anywhere else, and not cannot ;)
Driving License, Passport, Voters ID (and I vote), PAN card (and I pay my taxes). My job's over. My philosophy on politics and govt is that - it has reached a state beyond repair. Something really massive must happen to move the country out of this.
Coming back to the reservations funda - it is bullshit. Rank bad vote bank politics. Will anything work out well with 50 humongous percentage of reservations in premier institutes like IIMs and IITs??? Like Ram's math, the other castes are probably gonna end up with 1 or 2 percentage seats everywhere - with the strange system that the BCs and others can still take seats in the General category.
As students, we have seen the sorry state of ppl who came in thru these reservations - to even complete their courses. Some of those students are still trying. Had those seats gone to deserving ppl, the country would have had 100s of better graduates every year.
Just like the final comment coming out of every recruitment fair, it is not about employment opportunity - it is about employability. These people almost always take longer to cope up. It is exactly what sunil said - using the govt helicopter to pull a person to the top of Everest and then call him Hillary or Tensing. The poor guy won’t even be able to find his way down if the helicopter forgets to drop him down.
The caste system was brought in place by B.R.Ambedkhar since the caste system and the economic situation of ppl were parallels in those days. And this was supposed to be for only 50 yrs after the independence. No one has the guts to lift this off now. Forget lifting it off - ppl are adding new clauses to this. Shame of Democracy!!!
The only reservation that I’d support is the one based on the economic condition of the family. Total family income falls under class A, B or C and this will be ur cutoff. For each of these classes - such and such govt scholarships. Nothing else makes any sense to me.
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The whole reservation is a crap da... if IIMs and IITs are also doped with reservations, then they would loose their charm and recognition in the future.
I always support that the needy has to be given helping hands. That can be in the form of financial aids or fee reduction or even increase in the number of attempts to get into those institutions (guess..it's already there). Probably, if there is a tie between two candidates who are equally good, then the weaker guy (financially) could be given preference.
If they don't have brains then why the heck in the world they should study in IITs and IIMs and spoil the whole atmosphere?!
Say, a guy who doesn't deserve to study in IIM, gets a seat bcoz of the rediculous reservation system, just manages to get through the exams. Why should GoldmanSachs recruit him and pay him the fatest pay cheque?!! They could save some money by hiring a MBA graduate from a third ranked b-school, who will be better than this guy. He doesn't belong the elite league. He is just a cow dressed like a lion.
The great Ambedkar, had proposed this reservation system only for few years (guess till 1975.not sure) to help the needy. But, politics played it's part (should say...playing it's part) to keep the system intact (and even extend it's trunks) even after 50 years of independance where the once backward classes have all become the most forward class of the community (Thanks to the elections that come every 5 years or sometimes much sooner which brings new life to this system).
If some one is financially weak, help him financially to get all the facilities to come up in life. If he is a manga (with a brain as small as manga kottai), then why should they strain him by pushing him into those institutions which are mentally very taxing (read that the assigments and tests squeeze ur brain) and strain his brain to make it a 'sumbi pona manga kottai'?!
May be MGR's proposals like Sathunavu tittam, free books to the poor, etc were all in this direction?! I heard, he even had a proposal to revamp the existing reservation system and have one based on the financial status of the family?!! -Not sure thou...
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Any government - janata and derivatives or congress and derivatives, when it comes to power, they have a common principle. If they are cornered in a position, there are two things that can help them come out of it. The two things in which even the opposition cannot take other side. two great trump cards of indian democracy.
India-pakistan policy
Reservation
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